Germaine Greer: [wry] Oh, we've got a problem now with the word 'know' and we could spend a lot of time discussing what that means philosophically. Is believe the same as know. Is true belief the same as knowing. None of this is easy. The difficulty for me is this, that women are constantly being told that they are not satisfactory as women, that other people make better women than they do, and that the woman of the year maybe Caitlyn Jenner which makes the rest of the female population of the world feel slightly wry. I don't believe that a man who has lived for 40 years as a man and had children with a woman, and enjoyed the services, the unpaid services of a wife which most women will never know, that he then decides the whole time he's been a woman, and at that point I would like to say: well, hang on a minute, you believed you were a woman but you married another woman, that was unfair, was it? And you might ...
Tony Jones: [dig oneself out of a hole] Germaine, at the begging of your answer, I thought you're digging yourself out of this hole. Now I wonder if you've actually just shovelled it back in?
1. showing that you are both amused and disappointed or annoyed;
2. amusing in a way that shows irony;
dig oneself out of a hole:
To find a solution to or help recover from a particularly difficult situation, especially one created by a mistake, misfortune, or ill judgement.