Peter Singer: [bridgehead] That's right. I mean, exactly, the law recognizes things that are not human beings as persons, and corporations are a clear example. So, it would mean that they have standing in court, essentially, to claim those rights. Now to take the second bit of your question: what does that mean by other animals that are not as smart as chimpanzees? I would see that the extension of these basic rights to chimpanzees would be a kind of bridge that would help to narrow the gulf that I think we now feel exists between humans and animals, so we think that there is an enormous difference between humans and all animals when we use this term animals, we mean everything from a chimpanzee to, I don't know, maybe a snail, whereas, in fact, of course, we are very closely related to chimpanzees if you look at our DNA and relationship, and chimpanzees are much more distantly related even to monkeys than they are to us, they are closer to us. So, if we can narrow that gulf a bit and establish bridgehead, then I hope that there will be benefits that will flow in a longer run to the other animals as well.
Tony Jones: [chimp] Will the judge require that these two chimps actually be present in court as part of this?
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